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Old Tuesday, January 18th, 2011   #81
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Personally I pride myself on NOT being a gentleman!

The brotherhood aspects to Chivalry or Bushido or any other martial code are still relevant in the aspect of treating ones fellow men, but after almost half a century of hate directed at men by the women in this society, I'm not too keen on opening doors for them or giving them any sort of advantage over my fellow man.

That does not mean that I don't believe in compassion, but I'm not going to force a courtesy on someone, when it will be ignored, taken for granted, or perceived as an out right insult. Only a stupid individual would engage in such.
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But being a gentlemen now a days just makes you the guy you can talk about certain kind of ex-boyfriends and other things .

All that means, is that women view "Gentlemen" as ether Gay, or Chumps, they can take advantage of, but nothing more than that.

Does not sound like a winning strategy to me.
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Personally I pride myself on NOT being a gentleman!

The brotherhood aspects to Chivalry or Bushido or any other martial code are still relevant in the aspect of treating ones fellow men, but after almost half a century of hate directed at men by the women in this society, I'm not too keen on opening doors for them or giving them any sort of advantage over my fellow man.

That does not mean that I don't believe in compassion, but I'm not going to force a courtesy on someone, when it will be ignored, taken for granted, or perceived as an out right insult. Only a stupid individual would engage in such.
Then that means they have beaten you!

Men have always been the hard workers taken for granted who were stepped on, and for what? The betterment of our tribe and people, and personal satisfaction in knowing what you have accomplished. Society has never given us anything and never will, this is because we work for society. Our selflessness (only when directed towards our own people) is our biggest strength; we must do what we do not for rewards or recognition, but for betterment for us all and self discipline.

A little metaphorical, but I hope you understand what I mean. We are not going to change the ungrateful and rude feminists and others by sinking down to their own level.
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Everyone always talks about how Gentlemen are rare now, but no one ever talks about the extinction of the lady.

I will on occasion hold doors open for women or let them out first etc, and very rarely do hear a "thank you".

Feminism killed off the Gentlemen. Men knew where and what they were in society and then femisnism came along and turned everything on its head and men no longer knew what to do, if they opened a door would they be chastised for it etc Men were believed in thinking that all of these things were unnecessary because women were now like men and shouldn't be treated any differently.

And now many women compete with men in terms of drinking and traditional male bevaviour what are you supposed to think.

I will save my gentlemanly behaviour for real ladies thanks.
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Then that means they have beaten you!

Men have always been the hard workers taken for granted who were stepped on, and for what? The betterment of our tribe and people, and personal satisfaction in knowing what you have accomplished. Society has never given us anything and never will, this is because we work for society. Our selflessness (only when directed towards our own people) is our biggest strength; we must do what we do not for rewards or recognition, but for betterment for us all and self discipline.

A little metaphorical, but I hope you understand what I mean. We are not going to change the ungrateful and rude feminists and others by sinking down to their own level.

But see that is just it.

I have a real problem sacrificing for fat, arrogant Jewish, entailment socialist, and his prostitutes, who run this society. Especially when they will take all you give and mock you for doing it. The ONLY way I intend intentionally, to help those sorts of people is 6 ft under.

There were two, types of Warriors in ancient Japan, one was the upper class Bushido practicing Samurai, and the other was the lower class Rural Ninja. Both were feared warriors, but the Ninja had two great advantages, 1) the people in the country side. 2) His only real code was practical combat.

And even the Samurai took note, because a Samurai tradition is to keep a Bow staff in the restroom. And it was not there for plunging the toilet.
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I apologize for all the questions I will ask in this posting. I am hoping to examine your thoughts and the basis of them closer.




While I am capable of seeing the difference and admiring the nobility and honor in my friends and enemies.

What do you personally admire most in others and in people and civilizations of the past?

If I said, "How do you like Howard"?

Would you answer, "Oh yes, I like him very much as he is a total savage"?

Who is admirable in your estimation?



I have mentioned already some good examples of civilizations in which the men (and women) had in themselves a sense of honor and nobility. It is my view that this sense of honor and nobility, both as individuals and a society, set them apart from the savages they bested in all things and by all measures.

My examples were in three paragraphs of my last post.




Such as genius? Beauty? Wisdom? What concepts shall we embrace and which shall we discard? If all is discarded except savagery than civilization fails and we are animals. By virtue and honor we can set ourselves apart from the animals.



Moral realitivism is the delusion. "Nothing matters" is the delusion. Barbarism does exist and is at the heart of the animal-man and the higher minded man has always aspired to tame this; to make more of himself than just an animal.

I don't feel that I am denying my inner "werewolf" by admiring nobility and honor because I personally need no reminder of the savagery men are capable of.

I wonder if our difference in opinion has a basis in our own personal aspirations for ourselves. Do you wish to become so much more a savage as much as I wish to become more of a noble?

Has your own animal-man been denied the hunt, or revenge, or lust, or combat? I have had my fill of such things for now and wish higher things for myself.
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I apologize for all the questions I will ask in this posting. I am hoping to examine your thoughts and the basis of them closer.
Very well.

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While I am capable of seeing the difference and admiring the nobility and honor in my friends and enemies.
For me nobility is a myth and is merely a reference of self flattery or idolization.

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What do you personally admire most in others and in people and civilizations of the past?
I admire quite a few things all of which I don't know can correlate directly with this conversation.

I will say however that the only thing this existence respects is might and force revolving around power along with the lack of.

Everything revolves around the will to survive.

For me that is all there is where everything else is just a illusion, deception, or triviality.

There is only competition filled with winners and losers along with everybody in between.

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If I said, "How do you like Howard"?

Would you answer, "Oh yes, I like him very much as he is a total savage"?
For me everything revolves around the structure of power and hierarchy.

My description of him would revolve around those factors but quite literally in the structure of power everybody is savages considering everybody is willing to do what they have to in achieving their personal ends to which everybody else are just possible means to their individual end one way or another.

With that you get the inevitable savagery that unfolds.



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Who is admirable in your estimation?
Under what context?

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I have mentioned already some good examples of civilizations in which the men (and women) had in themselves a sense of honor and nobility.
And yet how easily notions of honor and nobility are sacrificed upon social inequality or amongst human depravity.......

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It is my view that this sense of honor and nobility, both as individuals and a society, set them apart from the savages they bested in all things and by all measures.
And for me such a description is a illusional construct.......

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Such as genius? Beauty? Wisdom? What concepts shall we embrace and which shall we discard? If all is discarded except savagery than civilization fails and we are animals. By virtue and honor we can set ourselves apart from the animals.
There are endless characteristics yet all of them revolve around the ego.

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If all is discarded except savagery than civilization fails and we are animals. By virtue and honor we can set ourselves apart from the animals.
We are animals. [Highly intelligent animals.]

The distinguishment is built upon smoke and mirrors......

Virtue and honor again for me don't really exist beyond self professing.

Civilization is filled with beasts and animals that growl, grunt, and make meat pies out of each other.

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Moral realitivism is the delusion. "Nothing matters" is the delusion. Barbarism does exist and is at the heart of the animal-man and the higher minded man has always aspired to tame this; to make more of himself than just an animal.
The so called higher man which in reality is merely the alpha is very much a animal like everybody else what seperates him is the ability to use his acquired intelligence to control, contain, and direct everybody else that he comes in contact with. That's it.

His intelligence is a manifestation of the earthly and it's uses are used to gather all the earthly pleasures for oneself of all he can muster illustrating that however intelligent he may be his animal desires are very similar to everybody elses that dominate his existential positioning.

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I don't feel that I am denying my inner "werewolf" by admiring nobility and honor because I personally need no reminder of the savagery men are capable of.
For me expressions of nobility, honor, and virtue of oneself is merely descriptions of a sort of self arrogant form of grandeur in devising a over hyped sense of pride in one's own being deluding oneself to be seperate or distinct from others.

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I wonder if our difference in opinion has a basis in our own personal aspirations for ourselves. Do you wish to become so much more a savage as much as I wish to become more of a noble?
I'm a man that values success and winning above all else where honor, virtue, or nobility possess very little use to me.

I'm a man that values success and winning whereby upon failure die trying.

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Has your own animal-man been denied the hunt, or revenge, or lust, or combat? I have had my fill of such things for now and wish higher things for myself.
I embrace my animal side to which the follies of civilization I view as impediments that need only to be overcome.
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I admire quite a few things all of which I don't know can correlate directly with this conversation.
I would like to hear about the traits you admire in past civilizations, please. How they correlate is that that which one admires (as you say, "idolize") reveals much about the mindset.

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My description of him would revolve around those factors but quite literally in the structure of power everybody is savages considering everybody is willing to do what they have to in achieving their personal ends to which everybody else are just possible means to their individual end one way or another.

With that you get the inevitable savagery that unfolds.
So how would you ajudge the success or failure of Hypothetical Howard? Is it safe to say that you follow the teachings of Redbeard to his conclusion as well; that material and financial wealth is the only sign of success and manhood? Are the savage's skulls and loot now replaced with sacks of bank notes and stock certificates?



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Who is admirable in your estimation?

Under what context?
I can clarify a bit: What do you admire most in other people in the context of success/failure? Is mere survival enough to gain your admiration, or is there something else?

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For me everything revolves around the structure of power and hierarchy.
How do you veiw your supervisor at work or the owners of the various buisnesses you have worked at? Are all social hierarchies representitive of this natural domination?

If success or failure all that matters are your current financial and life situations a result of being unable to be successfull in a savage world?

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For me expressions of nobility, honor, and virtue of oneself is merely descriptions of a sort of self arrogant form of grandeur in devising a over hyped sense of pride in one's own being deluding oneself to be seperate or distinct from others.
I wouldn't say they are arrogant, delusional or over-hyped. I would say that it is a luxury that one can afford one's self to improve the quality of his society and the lives of those who are close to him. There are times that such luxuries cannot be afforded and savagery must be foremost.

Savagery may be the basis of life just as letters are the basis of words and words are the basis of sentences and that in turn is the basis of communication. If we live life like animal savages it is like trying to communicate by shouting out letters. We humans are capable of more.

If savages are the pinnacle of humanity, I would expect that the natives of such exotic locales as Timbuktu, Tunisia, and Sudan would place high in your regard .

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For me nobility is a myth and is merely a reference of self flattery or idolization.
For me that is all there is where everything else is just a illusion, deception, or triviality.
If that is so, why would you be bothered to preserve culture, race, or nationality? Nothing seems to matter in this outlook but survival of the individual (ie you), nothing matters but the individual's whims (ie yours), nothing matters but individual survival: Radical individualism is not really your "thing" but that is what I am hearing.
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I would like to hear about the traits you admire in past civilizations, please. How they correlate is that that which one admires (as you say, "idolize") reveals much about the mindset.



So how would you ajudge the success or failure of Hypothetical Howard? Is it safe to say that you follow the teachings of Redbeard to his conclusion as well; that material and financial wealth is the only sign of success and manhood? Are the savage's skulls and loot now replaced with sacks of bank notes and stock certificates?





I can clarify a bit: What do you admire most in other people in the context of success/failure? Is mere survival enough to gain your admiration, or is there something else?



How do you veiw your supervisor at work or the owners of the various buisnesses you have worked at? Are all social hierarchies representitive of this natural domination?

If success or failure all that matters are your current financial and life situations a result of being unable to be successfull in a savage world?



I wouldn't say they are arrogant, delusional or over-hyped. I would say that it is a luxury that one can afford one's self to improve the quality of his society and the lives of those who are close to him. There are times that such luxuries cannot be afforded and savagery must be foremost.

Savagery may be the basis of life just as letters are the basis of words and words are the basis of sentences and that in turn is the basis of communication. If we live life like animal savages it is like trying to communicate by shouting out letters. We humans are capable of more.

If savages are the pinnacle of humanity, I would expect that the natives of such exotic locales as Timbuktu, Tunisia, and Sudan would place high in your regard .



If that is so, why would you be bothered to preserve culture, race, or nationality? Nothing seems to matter in this outlook but survival of the individual (ie you), nothing matters but the individual's whims (ie yours), nothing matters but individual survival: Radical individualism is not really your "thing" but that is what I am hearing.
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I would like to hear about the traits you admire in past civilizations, please. How they correlate is that that which one admires (as you say, "idolize") reveals much about the mindset.
A great deal of what I admire from past civilizations and eras don't really exist all that much in the conventional modern world anymore.

I admire how women used to be in the past but aren't anymore.

I admire how past societies were less institutional than they are today where people by far had more independence within their self autonomy.

I admire how there were more close communities and families within the past amongst each other.

I admire how people sometimes solved their social problems with the sword in the past instead with the slave fictional morality that we have now.

I admire how people in our ancient past lived more within the natural world and had a deep respect for survival to which our artificial surroundings today fully takes everything for granted by comparison.

I suppose those are just a few admirations I could list amongst many others.

Not sure if this is what you are looking for within your questions.

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So how would you ajudge the success or failure of Hypothetical Howard? Is it safe to say that you follow the teachings of Redbeard to his conclusion as well; that material and financial wealth is the only sign of success and manhood? Are the savage's skulls and loot now replaced with sacks of bank notes and stock certificates?
For me everything is material being the materialist that I am and every interaction of the social spectrum can be reduced materially.

Wealth through that of currency is merely a symbol of power since for me the very definition of success is the acquiring of power.

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Are the savage's skulls and loot now replaced with sacks of bank notes and stock certificates?
Yes.

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I can clarify a bit: What do you admire most in other people in the context of success/failure? Is mere survival enough to gain your admiration, or is there something else?
I admire success only. Failure is to be only shunned.

Survival I admire only upon the reaching of success through struggle.

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How do you veiw your supervisor at work or the owners of the various buisnesses you have worked at? Are all social hierarchies representitive of this natural domination?
Sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't.

For me a great deal of modern hierarchy is perversed and diseased by that of slave morality or morals.

To me natural domination is somthing completely lacking in the modern paradigm of civilization since power now is given to any fool who merely passes the approval of institutions instead of the individual acquiring it on their own capabilities or merits.

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If success or failure all that matters are your current financial and life situations a result of being unable to be successfull in a savage world?
I blame my past and current failures on my lack of ability to cope with the collective slave morality I find myself suffocated with on a daily basis.

Although slowly over a period of time I've become adaptive in being able to endure it by learning how to play the game so to speak by utilizing the perverse system against itself.

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I wouldn't say they are arrogant, delusional or over-hyped. I would say that it is a luxury that one can afford one's self to improve the quality of his society and the lives of those who are close to him. There are times that such luxuries cannot be afforded and savagery must be foremost.

Luxories are built upon the containment, control, and conquest of others.

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Savagery may be the basis of life just as letters are the basis of words and words are the basis of sentences and that in turn is the basis of communication. If we live life like animal savages it is like trying to communicate by shouting out letters. We humans are capable of more.
Are we capable of more? I find that to based upon many assumptions of people themselves.

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If savages are the pinnacle of humanity, I would expect that the natives of such exotic locales as Timbuktu, Tunisia, and Sudan would place high in your regard .
For me savagery and barbarianism is the norm around the world.

For me it has been the norm since the beginning of civilization which up til this present it is unlikely to ever change in the future.

You assume some parts of the world are more better in comparison to others but I would argue that the instance of savagery and barbarianism around the world are merely different from one place to another.

How is western civilization less savage and barbaric in comparison to the rest of the world?

What about our mercenary armed forces currently in the middle east defending the interests of oil tycoons and natural resource obtainment by killing?

The distinguishment is a illusion.

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If that is so, why would you be bothered to preserve culture, race, or nationality? Nothing seems to matter in this outlook but survival of the individual (ie you), nothing matters but the individual's whims (ie yours), nothing matters but individual survival: Radical individualism is not really your "thing" but that is what I am hearing.
Even individual savages and barbarians will band together with each other out of mutual interests in achieving similar mutual goals.

Allegiances, alliances, devotion, and such are no different in a world ruled by savagery or barbarianism.

Groups and mobs of people can be the most savage of them all where isolated individuals pale in comparison by their own acts.

What I say sounds radical only because it is a perspective that is uncommon but I think personally that my point of view is the most realistic.

It's true that I support a socialized form of collectivism but the competition of collected individuals is not any less savage or barbaric.

Collective societies can't exist without savagery or barbarism because they are incapable of any alternative way where individuals and groups are pitted against each other which always end up to conflicted hostility.

What is needed however I think is a strong mentally enlightened leadership to lead collective societies by a iron fist keeping a sort of equilibrium between the egoism of individuals and the collective welfare of all individuals living within the same space that compete amongst each other.

Maybe this will give you some insight into my version of collective socialism.

Yes I support deep individualism where the individual is the seat of all the world but I'm not so stupid to know where if it becomes too much that it becomes self destructive as well.

I always aspire towards the median in things looking for the best of balances.
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The Art of Being a Gentleman

Tonight I had a discussion with my partner about manners and the art of being a gentleman. She believed that I still had quite 'old fashioned' and ingrained mannerisms regarding this, such as opening doors, offering my coat when it was cold, and walking on the right hand side along the street etc. She said that she really likes the fact that I do these things and that it makes her feel more respected and even protected as a woman.

Though she did comment that seeing as we have been together for eight years I have a tendency of being crass and rather blunt. Whether this is just our familiarity and me knowing I don't need to impress as much and won't offend as easily I do not know. Also she mentioned that I only seem to do it at home rather than in public.

I personally believe that being a gentleman is an important thing for boys to be taught from a young age.

Do you? Or is it an outdated concept?

Men, do you consider yourself a gentleman?

Ladies do you appreciate gentlemanly behaviour?

What do you all consider to be gentlemanly behaviour?

When is it OK not to be a gentleman?
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Tonight I had a discussion with my partner about manners and the art of being a gentleman. She believed that I still had quite 'old fashioned' and ingrained mannerisms regarding this, such as opening doors, offering my coat when it was cold, and walking on the right hand side along the street etc. She said that she really likes the fact that I do these things and that it makes her feel more respected and even protected as a woman.

Though she did comment that seeing as we have been together for eight years I have a tendency of being crass and rather blunt. Whether this is just our familiarity and me knowing I don't need to impress as much and won't offend as easily I do not know. Also she mentioned that I only seem to do it at home rather than in public.

I personally believe that being a gentleman is an important thing for boys to be taught from a young age.

Do you? Or is it an outdated concept?

Men, do you consider yourself a gentleman?

Ladies do you appreciate gentlemanly behaviour?

What do you all consider to be gentlemanly behaviour?

When is it OK not to be a gentleman?
I can be a gentleman when I want to be. I'm a bit like you, I do things such as opening doors, walking on the right hand side of the path and of course letting ladies go first, but I can also be quite crass such as burping and farting, but I just respond with "it's just natural so what's the problem?"
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