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How does one change their name in the US?

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Old Monday, August 9th, 2004   #21
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Post AW: Re: AW: Re: How does one change their first,last name,etc. in the United States?

I use the term yankee for everyone outside the former Confederacy. Sue me!
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Old Monday, August 9th, 2004   #22
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I get that you two disapprove of the practice on [shaky] moral grounds, but how is it any of your business? Tell me again 'cuz I didn't see your answer the first time.
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Old Monday, August 9th, 2004   #23
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I use the term yankee for everyone outside the former Confederacy. Sue me!
You don't have any money.
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Old Monday, August 9th, 2004   #24
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That's why you are not supposed to change your name

My daddy left home when I was three
And he didn't leave much to ma and me
Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.
Now, I don't blame him cause he run and hid
But the meanest thing that he ever did
Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue."

Well, he must o' thought that is quite a joke
And it got a lot of laughs from a' lots of folk,
It seems I had to fight my whole life through.
Some gal would giggle and I'd get red
And some guy'd laugh and I'd bust his head,
I tell ya, life ain't easy for a boy named "Sue."

Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean,
My fist got hard and my wits got keen,
I'd roam from town to town to hide my shame.
But I made a vow to the moon and stars
That I'd search the honky-tonks and bars
And kill that man who gave me that awful name.

Well, it was Gatlinburg in mid-July
And I just hit town and my throat was dry,
I thought I'd stop and have myself a brew.
At an old saloon on a street of mud,
There at a table, dealing stud,
Sat the dirty, mangy dog that named me "Sue."

Well, I knew that snake was my own sweet dad
From a worn-out picture that my mother'd had,
And I knew that scar on his cheek and his evil eye.
He was big and bent and gray and old,
And I looked at him and my blood ran cold
And I said: "My name is 'Sue!' How do you do!
Now your gonna die!!"

Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
And he went down, but to my surprise,
He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear.
But I busted a chair right across his teeth
And we crashed through the wall and into the street
Kicking and a' gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer.

I tell ya, I've fought tougher men
But I really can't remember when,
He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile.
I heard him laugh and then I heard him cuss,
He went for his gun and I pulled mine first,
He stood there lookin' at me and I saw him smile.

And he said: "Son, this world is rough
And if a man's gonna make it, he's gotta be tough
And I knew I wouldn't be there to help ya along.
So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
I knew you'd have to get tough or die
And it's the name that helped to make you strong."

He said: "Now you just fought one hell of a fight
And I know you hate me, and you got the right
To kill me now, and I wouldn't blame you if you do.
But ya ought to thank me, before I die,
For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
Cause I'm the son-of-a-bitch that named you "Sue.'"

I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
And I called him my pa, and he called me his son,
And I came away with a different point of view.
And I think about him, now and then,
Every time I try and every time I win,
And if I ever have a son, I think I'm gonna name him
Bill or George! Anything but Sue! I still hate that name!
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No real answer to my question, I see.
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Old Monday, August 9th, 2004   #26
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You don't have any money.
Sue me for morals and ethics. America needs that much more than money.
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Old Monday, August 9th, 2004   #27
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Post Re: How does one change their first,last name,etc. in the United States?

phlegethon's argument is weak. one time in history at least, someone had to "turn his back" on his family by choosing a name. names, especially surnames do not go back to before the beginning of time. at least names used to have meaning, and parents had responsibility to give good names (when names where "magically" connected to meaning, i.e. they were thought to be one and the same in some way). can i help it if i was more or less "raped" by the fact of being born in the USA to parents who did not think about the giving of a name, or who had to follow state rules about naming me before they knew what kind of person i was? like bruce willis says in pulp fiction, (par.) "I'm American; our names don't mean shit." After so many years of waste and emptiness of culture, it has long been time to begin anew.

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Okay, but how is this any of your business? If a man wants to turn on his family by changing his name, to paraphrase you, that is his right. Whether it's moral or immoral isn't my problem or my business.
Because ole pleg the GREAT knows all. And in his quite narrow mind-set there is room for no opinion other than his own! Shudder all ye low born plebian, The GREAT pleg roams the earth! Maybe I'll change my name to plegethon!
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You're obviously too retarded to follow simple arguments and just trolling around here.
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phlegethon's argument is weak. one time in history at least, someone had to "turn his back" on his family by choosing a name. names, especially surnames do not go back to before the beginning of time.
Well, we were talking about the here and now and not about what it was like at the beginning of time. Otherwise we should be consistent and move back into the caves.

Family names have been around since about the 15th, 16th century (it differs from country to country). If you change it you revoke your own bloodline and pretend to be something you are not. It is a very contemporary form of escapism.
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and my heart dreams and longs to die.

- Nikolaus Lenau (1802-1850)

Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind.

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