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Old Monday, April 19th, 2004   #1
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Question Favorite Rifle/Pistol Combo?

probally been asked before, but indulge the "new guy".

say the towel people set off a dirty bomb or something. all our troops are wiped out and mexico invades(insert crazy arse scenario here)

what do you grab?




VEPR .223 -- Cz52
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Old Monday, April 19th, 2004   #2
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I personally tend to agree with your choice. Cz known for reliability and easy breakdown/ assembly. More generally though I would say choosing any rifle of 223 (NATO 556) calibre and handgun 9 mm. these are military calibres and thus are widely (and inexpensively ) available.
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Post Re: Favorite Rifle/Pistol combo

M1A1 with national match barrel and Shepherd Scope (with reticle for .308 Win.) , and a H&K SOCOM pistol in .45ACP
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Post Re: Favorite Rifle/Pistol combo

what kinda groups do you get with your M1A1?

serious hardware you got there.
high dollar too.

i picked my VEPR cause i got the russian elcan scope for it. and the 7.62x25 Cz is my answer to light body armour.
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Post Re: Favorite Rifle/Pistol combo

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M1A1 with national match barrel and Shepherd Scope (with reticle for .308 Win.) , and a H&K SOCOM pistol in .45ACP
SOCOM is heavy. Go with the USP Tatical.
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Post Re: Favorite Rifle/Pistol combo

VEPR's are decent rifles, but also are rather heavy due to their RPK receiver for a semi-automatic rifle in 5.56x45mm chambering. You would be better off going with a 5.45x39mm AK-74 with the regular stamped receiver IMO. Since these rifles are semi-automatic only, ammunition availability is of little concern. Use your rifle until you can acquire an actual military weapon, and if you need to use more than one battle load of ammunition (~210 rounds or so), you're probably f*cked anyway.

If you don't mind carrying a piece that heavy that you actually want to keep, the M1A setup isn't bad, 7.62x51mm doesn't really do that great with automatic fire anyway. I would tend to suggest an FN FAL over the M1A/M14 series though. FAL's are very rugged weapons, and the magazines can be had very cheap, about $5-$10. Buying a pre-ban M14 magazine is about $40+ IIRC.

It would also depend on what terrains and environments you are in. If you plan to stay in a city area, you might even skip the rifle and go with a submachine gun or autoloader shotgun. SPAS-12 is nice, but heavy. Benelli Super 90 would work fine, and so would a Remington autoloader outfitted like how Wilson Combat does theirs. LAW-12 is a relatively inexpensive Italian autoloader. In certain states, you can acquire a Thompson submachine gun or a German MP40, though somewhat antiquated, these firearms still work surprisingly effectively. The rate of fire on these submachine guns is fairly controllable so they work well, and can fire rapidly on moving targets with good results. Light, durable, and ammunition is common .45ACP or 9mm Parabellum.

Handgun options are fairly flexible, remember that in a conflict like that, your handgun is a backup weapon more or less. Concealability is not an issue. A full size 9mm, such as a Beretta 92FS, G17, or CZ-75 would be excellent.

I would suggest anyone who chooses to buy firearms for protection in case of societal collapse keeps at least 8 magazines for their primary, and two or three for their sidearm. A .22 caliber weapon of any sort would be extremely useful for survival use, shooting small animals for food, etc.

I'd probably just flee the country though. In any case, the scenario you mention is extremely unlikely.

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I like the MG42! Because its efficiency and stability were already proven!

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Post Re: Favorite Rifle/Pistol combo

If somehow the mexicans made it past Detroit and up to the UP... All i would need is the .44 Magnum. (So tell me... do you fell lucky... punk?)

(The thing is so huge, that you could chuck the damn thing at someone and kill them with it if you wanted to. Heh. Recoil may be too horrid for some people to handle, but like that matters too much if you have good aim. One shot, one kill. You have a chance of dismembering a person if you hit them in the shoulder.)

My father has over 22 various guns, and that's just in our basement. There are more than several more out to the hunting camp. We can make our own bullets, and usually do. The guns vary from being (laugh if you want) muzzle loading, to different shotguns, to a .270 Remmington rifle.

Of the many pistols, one is a hand-me-down State Police Issue .45 Semi-Auto. One of a little over a thousand like it were made, and it's never been shot.

On top of all that, there are of course several bows. I think two composite, three recurves... and a longbow?

Usually pretty much all the guys I know have at least a pocket knife nearby (for utility, of course), unless the situation deems it inoppropriate.

And my even-more-than-a-hulk-than-me brother has three quarterstaffs. Hand made.

Enough... boasting? Seriously, I'd like to see the whole mexican military even try to invade Michigan... Especially in the Upper Peninsula.
If they somehow managed to get past Detroit (HA!), they would still have to deal with cities like Pontiac and Deerborn (and though their skin tones might be similiar, i think they'd stick to the side of the good ol' US of A). Even if they managed that, they'd have to get across the bridge that connects the two peninsulas. If tried to go around the other way, they would have to put up with Chicago, Milwaukee(sp?), and a couple other major cities.

A lot of the Upper Peninsula is still thick with forests and swamps. I literally goto the edge of my town, and right by the road is a wall of trees. We have several quarter and half-breed mexicans up here, and they can hardly stand our weather.

On top of that, we have Finns. Lot's of Finns. Crazy Finns. Drunk Finns... and frequently in between...
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Post Re: Favorite Rifle/Pistol combo

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My father has over 22 various guns, and that's just in our basement. There are more than several more out to the hunting camp. We can make our own bullets, and usually do. The guns vary from being (laugh if you want) muzzle loading, to different shotguns, to a .270 Remmington rifle.
Quite an arsenal

Does your old man make the bullets by himself from the beginning or is he just reloading/loading the cartidges?I've heard that some people cast their own bullets.

I'm new on this stuff and sometime ago bought .338LM rifle which is very expensive caliber, thus I'm very interested of making my own ammunition.
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Post Re: Favorite Rifle/Pistol combo

One shot one kill --- The 308 is a nice weapon for a long distance target.this cal is used by swat and alot of troopers.The bull pup is nice for close up things.The M 16 was a piece of shit even with the jammer button that was added because so many us troops lost their lifes mattel and colt A gun maker and a toy maker Hmmm . The m-60 was my favorite.The british 303 is a nice weapon for deer hunting also was great for killing people to.I myself like H And K . And my deer weapon is a 45-70 gov if the bullet doesnt kill them the noise will.As for pistol i like 45 Datoncis minny combat fits nice in the back pocket.I would say claymoores but thats another story LOL ----- S.S. -----
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