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Are Nordic People Really the Purest?

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Old Monday, December 26th, 2011   #31
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Bad news: many inhabitant british-islander are purest european too. Probably the in the British-isles and in Scandinavia have preserve the purest european indiviudals side by side many individuals in the ex-colonial territories like the USA with british-islander and/or scandinavian origin.
I read on another forum that the man behind the Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project blog said that if judging by his own genetic tests and comparisons of different European ethnicities, it is (generally, as a group) the Lithuanians who are the 'purest' Northern Europeans.

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Moreover the east-european baltic, slavic and finno-ugrian people can have light eyes and hair and those features are not north-european influences too.
Yes, the Baltic countries have indeed a very high proportion of blond hair, and the Finns as well.
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The Nordics are the most unique sub-race of the Caucasoid family. Are they the purest? It certainly appears that way. Nordids and authentic Germanic Cro-Magnids (Faelids, Borrebies and Brunns) are the purest. Nordics from countries like Russia i.e. East Nordids are obviously not pure. They are altered by varoius sub-racial elements of the Steppe.
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Nordics from Russia?

Does not compute
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Nordics from Russia?

Does not compute
LOL! Pardon my Portuguese . I meant to put Nordids. East-Nordids are technically a Nordid type and they can be found in Russia.
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the Lithuanians who are the 'purest' Northern Europeans.

I see pix from baltic individuals with lesser or more mongolid influence. They are similar to russians: some individual are outstanding "pure" european however some individual are full of mongoliform traits.

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East-Nordids are technically a Nordid type and they can be found in Russia.
IMHO the east-nordid term is a joke. The most of east-nordids what I saw have other, f.E. east-baltid, pontid, dinarid, mediterranid etc. influences, however the truly "pure" indiviuals were indistinguishable to skandonordids. Probably they are rather the descendants of rus people than ancient "überaryan" slavs.
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Pure is a relative term. Yes, Nordic people have a higher frequency of light eyes, light hair, light skin but no too light( pale) than most other populations due to the fact that the ancient ancestors of these people in regions with less sunlight or sun exposure. It is not for sure, if this has to do with purity, since Sardinians are also pure, but they have high frequency of black hair, brown eyes and olive skin.
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Study: Scandinavians Were Earliest Europeans

The study, which was recently published in Science, sheds entirely new light on who we are as Europeans.

"From a genetic point of view he's an European," says Professor Eske Willerslev, Director of the Centre for GeoGenetics at the University of Copenhagen, who was involved in the new study, and adds: “Actually, he is closer to Danes, Swedes, Finns and Russians than to Frenchmen, Spaniards and Germans”.

The new results reveal that the man is the oldest that we know of so far to genetically represent a separate line from the forebears of present-day Asians.

This is decisive when it comes to dating one of the most important events in history.

"We can now date the separation time between Asians and Europeans," says Professor Rasmus Nielsen from the University of Copenhagen and the University of California, Berkeley, who was also involved in the study.

He points out that the Kostenki genome sets a line 37,000 years ago. Here the lines must have split, while the 45,000-year-old genome from the recently discovered Ust' Ishim in Siberia sets the limit in the other direction.

This gives the answer to one of the biggest questions in the history of mankind; scientists now know that it is within the 8000 year gap that Europeans and Asians went their separate ways.

Previously the impression was that our forebears lived in separate populations and had children within the group, instead, Willerslev now paints a very different picture consisting of one large meta-population.

A meta-population consists of several populations which mate with each other.

The meta-population is connected through the neighbour's neighbours, consisting of people who generally resemble each other a lot, but who also have their own unique traits.

"It was a huge, complex network, and not separate branches that lived in isolation,” says Willerslev.

He believes the Europeans must have been one enormous meta-population stretching across Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia.

It is possible to follow the genetic trail; all the way from the Kostenki genome, to hunter-gatherers in Siberia 25,000 years ago and farmers 7-8000 years ago in Spain, Luxembourg and Sweden, up to present-day Europeans.

A study published in September, led by two professors, Johannes Krause from Eberhard Karl's Universität Tübingen in Germany and David Reich from Harvard University in the US, concluded that present-day Europeans descends from at least three separate groups.

David Reich acknowledges the importance of the new study, but is not convinced that it changes history very much.

"It's wonderful to have the Kostenki genome and it’s also important and interesting to find a degree of continuity from the population represented by Kostenki to present-day Europeans," says Reich and adds:

"On the basis of a statistical test or two, it's a pretty far-reaching conclusion as to how our history proceeded. However, It’s exciting - if it's true”.

Although Willerslev and Nielsen admit that further tests could be carried out, they are pretty convinced that their idea is waterproof.

The Swedish scientist Pontus Skoglund from Harvard University, who was not involved in either Willerslev's new study or that of Reich, published in September, also finds it quite convincing.

"It'll be interesting to see more tests done, and as a field we need the time to digest these conclusions. But for now, it looks as though it may well be true, in which case it is an extremely important result," says Skoglund.

It turns out that Scandinavians are more closely related to the Kostenki man than any other now-living population. This means that Scandinavians are the earliest Europeans.

However, the genome also indicates that many European traits, including those from the Middle East, were already present in the first Europeans.

So from a genetic point of view it makes no sense to categorise the Scandinavians as a separate people. "In those days people didn't respect our virtuous, well-ordered ideas of belonging to specific groups," comments Professor of Evolutionary Studies, Peter C. Kjærgaard, from Aarhus University.

(Real Clear Science)
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Nordics live in proximity to other racial types like almost everyone else. In Scandinavia exists various degrees of mixture with Lapponids and substratal stocks. Claims about the first (=purest) Europeans usually center on the Lapps, Basques, Sarakatsani etc but all such claims are problematic.

Probably the Sards are least admixed representing very closely the first Neolithic settlers moving westwards. The next purest Mediterranean people are the Basque people who are much more mixed with outsiders. The UP racial element is strongest in the Laplanders though they possess some strain from Siberia. The Sarakatsani and similar people resemble the old EUP Cromagnoid but they have also been interpreted as the result of more recent racial blending.
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