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Are the English People Really Germans?

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Old Thursday, March 10th, 2011   #1
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Are the English People Really Germans?

Or is it rubbish?

http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2666
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It's true. The English are the decendants of germanic tribes that not only settled in what today is Germany, but are also the ancestors of todays Germans. For a long time the Anglosaxons and the Germans understood each other and spoke almost the same language, only different dialects that separated themselves at the end into different languages.

What is even more remarkable is this...

"The study examined only the spread of the male lineage: sons fathered by Saxon men but born to native British women would therefore count as a spread of the Germanic line. "But I'm willing to bet that if you looked at the maternal line you would see the same pattern," says Thomas, although he thinks it may not be quite so starkly defined."

Unlike all the other germanic tribes that left their homes and conquered foreign lands, your ancestors took not only their women with them, but continued to procreate with their own and therefore were not romanized and disapeared like the others. The later conquest by the Normans had not as great genetic implications as one would think, because they constituted mainly an elite. The greater part remained anglosaxon and that is also the reason english and not french is spoken in Britain today.
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Better not Otherwise you'll all be hanged for Great Betrayal of 1939.

As for the purity of germanic bloodlines in England check this: Ancient Britain Had Apartheid-Like Society
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Another thread with a collection of different view points

Genetic Britain: How Roman, Viking and Anglo-Saxon Genes Make Up the UK's DNA

There was another article about the origins of the English language:

The Anglo-Frisians. The Ancient English of the Ice Age

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As for the purity of germanic bloodlines in England check this: Ancient Britain Had Apartheid-Like Society
Reminds me of this for some reason:
Cerdic - We don't mix (King Arthur)
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Or is it rubbish?
Of course it is, an evil-racist wrote it.

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"The differences still persist," says Thomas. "Even if not enshrined into law, people from different groups often tend not to interbreed."
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Reminds me of this for some reason:
Cerdic - We don't mix (King Arthur)
The scene made it clear, that the Saxons didn't intermingle with the locals, but aside from that, it is nothing else than unmitigated hate propaganda directed against Saxons and Germanics in general.
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I have absolutely no problem with being Celto-Germanic. In fact, I like it that way.
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The scene made it clear, that the Saxons didn't intermingle with the locals, but aside from that, it is nothing else than unmitigated hate propaganda directed against Saxons and Germanics in general.
I was just saying that it reminded me of it. I wouldn't call a Hollywood film authoritative on any manner accept propaganda.
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I have absolutely no problem with being Celto-Germanic. In fact, I like it that way.
It could be that most Germanics are in fact celto-germanic anyway to a degree, because during the iron age all that is now southern Germany was inhabited by Celts. The Germanics, who inhabited back then the area that is now northern Germany and Denmark, expanded southwards and it is likely that they intermixed, which was not really so much intermixng as they were genetically similar anyway.

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I was just saying that it reminded me of it. I wouldn't call a Hollywood film authoritative on any manner accept propaganda.
It was not meant as a reprehension directed against you. I just wanted to point out that this film and in fact almost any film today were anti-germanic and that it were additionally ironic that they dared even to demonize the Saxons, although they were producing and living themselves in anglosaxon countries.
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