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Old Thursday, December 8th, 2011   #31
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There are also Germans who have ancestry from present day Czechia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Russia etc. These countries had ethnic German communities, what was also the case for Poland. So it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I also dunno if this identifying with a relatively minor part of one's ancestry to which one has otherwise no cultural, etc. connections is a predominantly American thing, rarely found the same case in Europe. It's not that there are no mixed Europeans, there are people who have various ancestries in their family but will only identify with their predominant one and with its culture and heritage that they have been taught. I haven't heard people saying I'm 1/8 this or 1/16 that. Maybe that's what has lead Americans to think that Europeans are a lot "purer".

Anyways, I agree entirely about serving in the "German" army. I can't grasp the point behind making an extra effort in order to serve in it voluntarily. You will not help Germany or the German people but the Federal Republic. And if you go at war you support the interests of Israel, a foreign nation, and tactics which the FRG typically blames the former NS govt for, like invading foreign territories and violating the freedom and human rights of other people.
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Not sure where you're coming from with this. He stated that his gggrandfather emigrated about a decade prior to the First World War, so c. 1904/5. In general it seems that German officers were less likely to emigrate, there being particular social factors which made severing ties with one's regiment and comrades--not to mention networks established in university, work, and society--that would have made this a difficult choice. Perhaps if the officer had been disgraced for one reason or another. Anyway, it seems to me that many of these family tales about so-and-so having been a Prussian officer come about as a result of the natural evolution of information when passed down through the generations--especially when it's done by women who have little interest or understanding about things military. This I can attest to myself in terms of the sketchy information provided to me about my own father's service, which I have now been able to have officially clarified.

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How do you find this so likely to be untrue. Many Germans immigrated into the US following the "Year without Summer" when the climate was especially cold 1816-1819 following the volcanic winter after the Mt. Tambora eruption (1815), giving ill harvest especially for 1816.

Seeing how this was but years after Napoleon wreaked havoc across Europe, with Prussians withstanding it, I don't see how this is so unlikely, especially considering that Prussians would have been fairly quick to starve considering their natural resources are not so rich, their success in making it arable stemming from vigorous labour rather than luck in placement in the world.
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Well I have some pretty bad news, my great-great-grandfather who came to America from Germany, came from what is the modern day Polish zone, making me Slavic, although he served as an officer in the German military. Does that mean I am now no longer allowed to remain a member of Skadi, and are my beliefs/efforts in Germanic Preservationism for naught? I can't get rid of these darn genetics, so am I really being fair in my desire to move to Germany and such? Would it be wrong to marry a pure German woman?
Are you still here Herr Wittmann? You are what 1/16 (if its your great great grandpa) Polish and he was a man who served the German Empire. He and you are about as German as is feasibly possible for someone in America or in one of the Polish areas of the old German Empire. Even the Nazis thought the Polish (at least those with "Aryan" features) were assimilable so don't be to hard on yourself.
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I can't grasp the point behind making an extra effort in order to serve in it voluntarily. You will not help Germany or the German people but the Federal Republic. And if you go at war you support the interests of Israel, a foreign nation, and tactics which the FRG typically blames the former NS govt for, like invading foreign territories and violating the freedom and human rights of other people.
All true but at some point the FR and the FR Army need to be reclaimed.

You don't change systems from the outside (as a non-member). You change it from the INSIDE.

Whilst there are many negatives associated with service in the Legions of ZOG it should be remembered that things need not stay as they currently are, for ever and ever.

When the time comes we need the right people in the right places. That includes the FR Army. The preparation for that time starts right now, today.
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Are you still here Herr Wittmann? You are what 1/16 (if its your great great grandpa) Polish and he was a man who served the German Empire. He and you are about as German as is feasibly possible for someone in America or in one of the Polish areas of the old German Empire. Even the Nazis thought the Polish (at least those with "Aryan" features) were assimilable so don't be to hard on yourself.
Yes! Thank you for the kind words. I have learned to accept that part of me more now, and while I may not consider it my most honorable attribute, I respect him as my family. My family has had generally Aryan traits throughout it's lineage.


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Not sure where you're coming from with this. He stated that his gggrandfather emigrated about a decade prior to the First World War, so c. 1904/5. In general it seems that German officers were less likely to emigrate, there being particular social factors which made severing ties with one's regiment and comrades--not to mention networks established in university, work, and society--that would have made this a difficult choice. Perhaps if the officer had been disgraced for one reason or another. Anyway, it seems to me that many of these family tales about so-and-so having been a Prussian officer come about as a result of the natural evolution of information when passed down through the generations--especially when it's done by women who have little interest or understanding about things military. This I can attest to myself in terms of the sketchy information provided to me about my own father's service, which I have now been able to have officially clarified.
Although I do not post personally identifiable details online, I have a photo of him in uniform. Our records are quite sound as to that line, along with my mother's father's line, which we can date back to the 1400's directly, and the furthest back I have ever seen our name is in a Knight's Templar registry, of course I cannot prove if that is direct lineage, or even of the same family, although the name was the same.
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There are also Germans who have ancestry from present day Czechia, Slovenia, Hungary, Romania, Russia etc. These countries had ethnic German communities, what was also the case for Poland. So it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I also dunno if this identifying with a relatively minor part of one's ancestry to which one has otherwise no cultural, etc. connections is a predominantly American thing, rarely found the same case in Europe. It's not that there are no mixed Europeans, there are people who have various ancestries in their family but will only identify with their predominant one and with its culture and heritage that they have been taught. I haven't heard people saying I'm 1/8 this or 1/16 that. Maybe that's what has lead Americans to think that Europeans are a lot "purer".
I wonder if this is because Americans feel a need to trace their historic roots since Americans have been so "mixed" and displaced by immigration, that it becomes a sense of psychological relief perhaps to know one's history, where as a person in Europe already knows their traditions go back for possibly hundreds of years.
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Yes! Thank you for the kind words. I have learned to accept that part of me more now, and while I may not consider it my most honorable attribute, I respect him as my family. My family has had generally Aryan traits throughout it's lineage.




Although I do not post personally identifiable details online, I have a photo of him in uniform. Our records are quite sound as to that line, along with my mother's father's line, which we can date back to the 1400's directly, and the furthest back I have ever seen our name is in a Knight's Templar registry, of course I cannot prove if that is direct lineage, or even of the same family, although the name was the same.
What a lucky man you are, being able to trace your ancestors back six centuries.
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and the furthest back I have ever seen our name is in a Knight's Templar registry, of course I cannot prove if that is direct lineage, or even of the same family, although the name was the same.
It is highly unlikely to be a direct lineage, since they took monastic vows when joining the order. At best that person would be a brother of one of your ancestors.
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